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Offline VIE_JesseJames

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Avoid UBK
« on: May 28, 2011, 08:26:33 PM »
Hello, I have seen some blogs here in the past and wanted to chime
in with a couple things.

1) Clyde Barrow does not cheat; has never cheated.  He lives in
New Zealand, so his internet is not the best, but I have not seen him
glitch and I play with this guy pretty much daily.  Anyone who says
he cheats only says so because they cannot beat him.  He is nearing
the #1 ranking in hard core shootouts and he will get there.  He is the
best casual player I've ever seen.

There are very few people that can hang with him, but the few that
I've seen that can rival him, I've been told they have lag switches:

Orphan 22 (I think he's ubk now)
Cowboy_is_Back (unborn killa 2)
Orphan29 (ngsc4400)

I personally wouldn't know, but Les Clay told me so and I don't
know how he knows.

Even with these cheaters trying to beat clyde, they rarely do.

That said, I want to share a rather long-winded story.  I guess you
could say this is months in the making and I need to get this all off
my chest.

xUBKx-BoSs (aka BuGz-Da-Dunn, aka UnbornKillaz-1) is the leader
of an occult named the Unborn Killaz.  

I used to be friends with him, but this guy is worse than Kathy
Lee Gifford.  Talk about gossip, I swear this guy could start his
own red dead redemption talk show.

He cannot ever stop complaining about others and it got to the point
where I had to simply block this guy to relieve my stress from his
constant negative energy.

Let me skip back to the start a bit so you're not completely in the
dark.

I have been playing red dead redemption since June of 2010.  
In that time I have made many friends.  I joined the orphan clan,
but they were breaking up and rob (orphan 3) left the game (I
heard he temporarily snapped.... breakdown).  Then when he
came back, he joined the unborn killaz.  

I suggested to my friend FaizaanM26 ((aka clyde barrow) who
got me into the orphans) that we create out own clan and with
the help of a 3rd friend (Belle Starr), The Vigilantes were formed.

Since that time I've found that many people hate us simply because
we are a rival clan. But the thing is we preach that our clan respect
each other and respect your opponent.  We do not stand for our clan
to bad mouth others and we've kicked out B_BLEEZY and others for
being totally rude and disrespectful to others.  

We have tried to get along with others, and for the most part in
matches, we keep to ourselves.

But what I want everyone to know is that now that unborn killaz are
creeping back into the game after the outage, their attitude has not
changed, in fact got worse.  

xUnBoRnKillaz-1 is Bugz da Dunn... founder of UBK.  
Before he outage they were all numbers and letters.
(such as xUnBoRnKiLLaZ-1)
They must have lost passwords or something
because they're now creating new names.  
I hope that means all their old accounts are
history so now we can pass them on leaderboards :)
An yway, now they are all putting names (probably copying us)
So now ubk1 is xUbKx-BoSs.
Derf 11 is now ubk derf
saudi 85 is now ubk saudi85
they have first lady, boss lady (I feel sorry for her), and
many others in their clan.

They are not friendly people.
Derf came to me as a messenger asking for a vie vs ubk
clan match, but ubk1 is not a friend and it will not be
friendly because they do not know how to have fun.

ubk1 runs his clan like a cult.  It is sad that any people
follow this guy.  Their website looks like a trashy dating
service and everything about them reflects their horrible
leadership.

Tonight I played vs saudi and n1_cisco
They were on our team in gang matches and
killing their own teammates.

Then cisco messages me and talked crap about
our clan.  This is a guy who knows nothing about me
or my clan because he's never spoken with any of
us personally.  So where did he get his pre-conceived
opinions about us?  Brainwashed, obviously by his
leader.  See how sad it is?  These people are so
stupid that they cannot even think for themselves.
They cannot talk to us or say, "how are you?".  
They just automatically hate us having never said
a word.  

Red Dead redemption needs a daycare.

Anyway, this is typical behavior of the unborn
killaz.  They do not respect anyone, no matter
what.  They hate people that they do not even
know.  

Why I am telling you this is simply to warn you.  
My experiences with them are first-hand and
ongoing for almost the whole time I've been
playing the game.  

I personally find it hard to enjoy the game anymore
when they are around.

It is unfortunate that such a great game can have such
a dark cloud looming over it.  So while you may laugh at
this long-winded tirade, I am only here to tell you that
you should avoid these people.  I would recommend you
enjoy the game on your own and keep to yourself, but
if you like multiplayer and want to be with a group, then
you should be with people who can actually have some fun.

The widowmakers recently broke apart and they joined our
clan.  Why?  They like us and hate ubk too.  Isn't that ironic?

Nobody I talk to likes ubk-BoSs.  nobody.  We have people
join our clan because of their bad experiences with him.

Funny thing is the people who say crap about us are:

1) the people who can't beat us, or
2) the people we've kicked out (for bad attitude) or
    friends of theirs.

Go figure.  Clyde Barrow, Billy the Kid, and many others in
our clan have not ever said one bad word about anyone.
They are great guys.  But you wouldn't know it with all
the crap UBK says about him.  One day we kicking the
crap out of the ubk's and they beat us once in a close
game.  Then a guy on mic said, I bet they turn on their
glitch switches now.

I laughed and told ubk1 that he has to stop brainwashing
his clan.

I mean,

1) we don't have any such switch, and
2) if a switch did exist, why would we turn it off for
    one game just to let them win?

Obviously the guy has no idea what he's talking about.  I mean
really, what a moronic thing to say.  But he only said it because
his leader tells all his clan that we cheat and he only says that
because he cannot beat us.

Alright, well, I'll conclude this book now.

Bottom line is, if you want to be a part of a group and have
fun, look for VIE's and befriend us.  We'll show you our
website.  We're nearing 40 members now and we've got
girls and guys alike.  Belle formed the VIE-gina's... our
vigilante sisterhood and they're not concerned with skillset
so much as people they can talk to and get along with.

I'm sorry for the length and I'm sorry that we all have to
endure such trash as the unborn killaz, but there are
worst tragedies in the world.  Just ignore them.

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RE: Avoid UBK
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2011, 08:49:37 PM »
Welcome JJ. Its not really necessary to eloborate on why we should watch out for the UBK, a simple warning will do. By the content of your post, I know you're intentions were good spirited though. There is a multiplayer general discussion section for threads like this and for recruiting there is a multiplayer posse section as well. You may want to ask a mod to move this post to either of them.
As for ClydeBarrow, he has been discussed in some threads mainly because he is a great player. But some members here have experienced strange things when playing against him, and cheating is a big topic these days. I've never seen anything that made me conclusively say that he is using a Lag Switch, but there are some players that seem to have an aura about their character that makes them tougher to kill than the majority. It is likely because of his geographical location like you said. Anyway, welcome to RD.net and feel free to mingle amongst the crowd!

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RE: Avoid UBK
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2011, 09:40:59 PM »
well, I've been playing the game since june of 2010 and clyde's been
playing longer than I.  

When you play with someone everyday for that long, you know.

What I know is all you people speculating that he could be
cheating, do not have any extensive experience playing with
him.  Naturally when people can't win, they always think
someone's a cheat.

In fact that's how I became friends with some ruthless killers
in this game.  I'd play with 'em day in and day out.  One day these
two guys stumbled upon us and got their clocks cleaned.  They
were both on mic's and said to each other about how good of
gamers they are and how nobody can compile the kind of stats
clyde compiled without cheating.  So I turned on my mic and asked
them whenever they can't win, do they accuse everyone of being
cheaters?

I wrote Rockstar to ask them about lag switches and if people
do cheat and how to know and they said gamers really won't
know if someone's cheating, some will go by whether or not
they see glitches, but most times that's the game server.  It could
also be a poor internet connection.  But Rockstar also mentioned
that they have installed many patches which are devised to combat
the cheaters using lag switches.  So technically there should not
be any cheaters out there.  Maybe there's a few nerds who are so
bored that they were able to find a way to bypass the patches, but
I doubt it.  And I know clyde isn't no cheater.  He ducks, turns,
jumps, and I kill him plenty enough.  But he's just quicker on his
feet and quite frankly, he's smarter than 99% of the gamers
playing red dead redemption.

I tell everyone Clyde is the best player in this game and the fact
that so many people come here talking about should confirm that.

And people in these blogs should start talking about him as the
best player this game has ever seen... the best player in the game.

period.

Fact is, he is.

What I've learned in reading some of these blogs is that people
are disrespectful, rude, and rush to judgment instead of
praising and congratulating.  People would rather make an
enemy than be a friend.  And that's sad.  If anyone who doubts
clyde would just come in and play with him everyday, they might
be able to learn how to become a brilliant player themselves and
instead of being filled with doubt and speculation, and instead
of crying to everyone that he's a cheat, they could actually
improve their own skills and maybe one day get some
satisfaction out of the few times they actually win a game
against him.... it doesn't happen often, but when it does,
there is much gratification.  

It's too bad too many people walk on the other sidewalk
instead of crossing the street, knocking on the door,
introducing themselves, and saying, nice to meet you.

Most people are more comfortable hiding and making accusations.

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RE: Avoid UBK
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2011, 09:57:28 PM »
How can you possibly know he is the best? Has he played against all the other players of the game? I doubt it. As Near said its all about having fun, not about climbing the leaderboard. Most players I've met that worry about their score become obsessed and bitter, and stop seeing the game as a entertainment, and more like a job.
I don't know Clyde, and from what you've said in many different ways is that he is a nice guy and a fun person to play with. That's good! That's what RDR needs more of. We'll take your word for it that he's not cheating, and you are correct in your statement that people are quick to throw around the "C" word when they can't beat another player, there are a few top players that are well known around RDR and this forum that are accused of cheating as well. All they can do is play the game they love and ignore the nay-sayers, because if they are playing legit and winning, they have the satifaction of knowing they are the best.
If Clyde is the best as you say he is, he can come to this forum and take part in the various events and meetings that are periodically organized at RD.net. There was a HCFFA tournament not too long ago, and from what I've seen from Clyde by playing with him a few times, he'd probably do well and enjoy it. The RDR summer Olypmics are an individual skill challenge that will be coming soon to RD.net, perhaps he can prove his meddle there.
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RE: Avoid UBK
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2011, 10:30:04 PM »
Of everyone I've seen in the game, he is the best... on psn.  I only did xbox once and didn't see anyone that was much better than I, let alone clyde.  But on psn, there's some active players that can rival him, but I don't know who does these challenges/olympics you speak of... if they're not already in the game now.  we have guys in our clan from all around the world, so it would be difficult for a top-flight player to be out there that we're unaware of.  Blacksubstance (aka Sundance Kid) is in Russia and recruits guys from his time zone that I rarely see.  We have italians, aussie's, and there's a few guys in the game now (turtiz, cowboy_is_back, messidragon and some others) who can compete with, and maybe win a shootout here or there against clyde, but even if they rack up more kills, when it comes to clyde head to head vs them, clyde usually gets 'em.  Orphan 29 (ngcs4400) one time won a shootout against clyde by 1 kill, but in the last 3 minutes I saw clyde kill him 6 times and orphan didn't get him once.  

Problem is rather than concede someone is better, most people just accuse someone of cheating.

But the only people I say are cheats are the ones others have told me cheat, such as the aforementioned orphans 22/29, b_bleezy, cowboy_is_back... although I haven't seen anything erratic in any of their play to make me believe any of them cheat except b_bleezy.  and I think saudix85 is a cheat too... or he just has the worst internet connection of anyone in the game.

But to your guys' other points.... this game is fun... win lose or draw it's fun.  If people aren't having fun, they shouldn't be playing.  Getting caught up in the leaderboards and what-have-you is simply a side show... we all play the game because it's fun and we do things as a group... as a posse... as a clan... because that makes it even funner.  

I'm just sick of people who don't know clyde accusing him of cheating.

If there's anyone in this game you think is better than clyde, I would like them to logon and play clyde.  Are there people who do the rdr olympics that don't play in multiplayer now?  Typically any "stud" players that mysteriously appear are guys who've recently changed their name to be anonymous.  But I'd like to think we know all the good players in the game because we do have guys playing in various parts of the world everyday.  So unless there's another network of guys we can't see, yeah, based on what I've seen, I would put clyde atop the list.  

The only knock I have on clyde right now is that he is spending too much time in hardcore and I dont' think he's as sharp in casual as I've seen him before.   But even when he's not 100%, he'll still win most shootouts.  I'm not sure his stats or anything and he doesn't seem to concerned with that except that he does want to be #1 hardcore.

anyway.  that's that.

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RE: Avoid UBK
« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2011, 10:56:05 PM »
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RE: Avoid UBK
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2011, 11:10:02 PM »
well, all you seem to be doing is psychoanalyzing me and what I'm saying
why do you care what I say?

Isn't this a blog where people can talk about whatever they want?

If you want to reply to what I've said, fine, but you're not even doing that... you're
questioning the whole point of why Im' posting and frankly I'm offended by your
demeanor.

Clyde doesn't come here, never has, and someone from my clan said people here
who do not know him were accusing him of cheating.  As a leader of the clan that he
is in and a person who has been a pretty good friend of his since we've been playing
the game, I decided to defend him.

There really is no point in clyde coming here.  Everyone who's accusing him of cheating
doesn't know him.  Or can't beat him.  So he's a cheat regardless in the forum of
public opinion.  So if he comes here and defends himself, then what, he's a liar too?

I wouldn't even encourage him to come here and be subjected to the minds of people like you.

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RE: Avoid UBK
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2011, 11:55:53 PM »
Ok.

First of all, there is a whole bunch of guys that play the game that could argue your point.  I for one have never heard of you or most of the people youre talking about so whats that mean?  It means that the RDR world is a little bigger than your backyard and you guys arent the best ever to run around the prairies.  

Now, maybe Clyde is that good.  Ive never played him, but I'll take your word for it.  OK?  But other than that point that you strongly voiced here you also mentioned that the guys in that other clan, and people here, accuse him of cheating.  And mainly because they get beat by him and get all butt hurt and start throwing the C word around.  You are doing the same thing in this thread.  How does that make you look if youre defending him against cheating and at the same time accusing other people of it?

Some advice.  Maybe start worrying about yourself and how good you are and you might have a better time with things.  Its just a game but you are turning it into a soap opera.

Besides, youre not even the real Jesse James.  The real Jesse James has a D in front of it.  :crown:

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RE: Avoid UBK
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2011, 12:09:58 AM »
@JJ- I feel you have come here to defend a friend of yours against possible allegations of cheating, when in your oppinion, he is the best player in the game and not a cheat. That is fine, and yes that is what these message boards are for- RDR discussion. But you can't just tell everyone that what they experienced when they were playing against him was just their imagination and they're just jealous of his superior skill. You are entitiled to your oppinion as are the other members here, and you need only pay attention to the thoughts of whomever you see fit.
I will make it crystal clear for you my experience playing against VIE_ClydeBarrow so there is no misunderstanding about what has been said. I watched him win 6 or 7 HCFFA matches in a row that I took part in, finishing 2nd or 3rd in all of them. Clyde moves erratically (running, rolling, jumping) around the map as he places very well aimed shots at his targets. He does not spend much time behind cover and brazenly challenges any nearby opponent to a 1 on 1, often in the middle of the action. Every time I shot Clyde, he did not die unless I shot him 4 or 5 times myself, I bloodied his face with headshots that did not kill him a few times.
What I noticed (and a friend of mine playing as well did also) is that he would take more shots to kill than the other players in the session. His character shrugged off close range shotgun blasts, deadeye headshots, and occasional mid range dynamite explosions. That struck me as wierd, but not totally unseen before. As I said in another thread, some players just seem superhuman, and take more punishment than most. I don't think that takes anything away from his excellent skill, he showed me plenty with his aiming ability. I have played in matches against you as well, you use the grandma character if I remember correctly, and are a good player as well.

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RE: Avoid UBK
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2011, 12:56:17 AM »
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RE: Avoid UBK
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2011, 04:18:13 AM »
lol  I've seen that djessejames in hardcore and I think stronghold.  
He's better than me in hardcore, but tha'ts not saying much.

I remember Zaitsev777 I think his name is asked me if I was
djessejames.  

In casual, I'll chew him up and spit him out.

lol

and second of all, if you read my posts a little more carefully, you
will see I did not accuse anyone of cheating.  Maybe I need to
reread what I wrote, but I quoted les clay who told me he
believes bleezy, saudi, orphans, and some others cheat.

So it's secondhand news and I also told everyone that rockstar
told me they've installed patches to combat people with lag
switches... thus deeming them ineffective, but I have never
tried to hook up a switch myself, so I cannot attest to the accuracy
of their statement.  They may just be trying to console me.

As far as you not knowing me or my clan, I have to believe you do
not play the game much, or there are different servers or something
Maybe all you do is legends and killers or stronghold.  But we all
know everyone.  I cannot believe you have not seen clyde, sundance,
unborn killers, especially.  Every single day I am on and have been on
every single day for nearly a year and many of the guys I speak of have
had the game since day 1... so if you dont' know any of us then I do not
know what to tell you except that you haven't been playing long, or
you do not do what we do...

but the players I speak of many go by multiple names ... their original
and clan name.... for example blacksubstance is VIE_SundanceKid ...

and most everyone I speak of are very experienced casual gamers
and most all of them are on the leaderboards... so if you do not know
who people like saudix85, sgt.margera, tico tico, or other guys in clans,
then you do not play the same red dead redemption game I do.  

seriously.  

how can you not know any of us is what I want to know.

That's not arrogance, it's just the truth.  we are on every day.



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Ok.

First of all, there is a whole bunch of guys that play the game that could argue your point.  I for one have never heard of you or most of the people youre talking about so whats that mean?  It means that the RDR world is a little bigger than your backyard and you guys arent the best ever to run around the prairies.  

Now, maybe Clyde is that good.  Ive never played him, but I'll take your word for it.  OK?  But other than that point that you strongly voiced here you also mentioned that the guys in that other clan, and people here, accuse him of cheating.  And mainly because they get beat by him and get all butt hurt and start throwing the C word around.  You are doing the same thing in this thread.  How does that make you look if youre defending him against cheating and at the same time accusing other people of it?

Some advice.  Maybe start worrying about yourself and how good you are and you might have a better time with things.  Its just a game but you are turning it into a soap opera.

Besides, youre not even the real Jesse James.  The real Jesse James has a D in front of it.  :crown:

So it sounds that you're of the opinion clyde cheats, but you're trying
to be politically correct as to avoid making a blunt accusation.

What I know is that B_Bleezy and Saudix85 lag so much, that I am
convinced it is much more than the game server occasionally acting
up.  There are times when I can clean their clocks and I think maybe
that happens when they are not using their lag switch.  Then other
times I see them leaning as they run at me... I'm shooting them in the face and all the sudden they're friggen 10 feet behind me blowing me away with a shotgun or something.  That is my impression of what a lag switch does; it causes an extreme lag for a few moments, thus giving the
perception that the server is glitching, when in fact the player is seeing
something totally different than you.

What you describe of clyde is not behavior I've known associated
with a lag switch.  What you describe is someone who cannot rip
off a clean headshot on clyde.  

But maybe there's some truth to his overseas connection causing
fits for some people.  But as I said, I'm a world away from him on the
other side of the map and I play with him nearly daily... and I do not
see any of those glitches.   When it takes me 2 clips to kill him and he
don't die, it's my inaccuracy, not some glitch.  

Also, when say you see that you hit him in the face and he doesn't
die, well, I see that everyday with hoards of people.  I'll see craters
in peoples faces after I die and I wonder, is that a glitch?  should they
be dead?  Was I too far away and my bullet just sheared the skin
right off their face without penetrating the brain?  Is it possible?

Well, I don't know.  The teeth are still intact.  lol

So whatever.  

If you watch VIE_SundanceKid, you will probably call him a cheater
too.  But what I've seen in him is that he seems to have taken a page
out of Clyde's book... he's ducking, turning, rolling, and making it
extremely hard to get a clean headshot.  During the outage, he was
playing a lot of xbox and it seems to have helped him not only stay
sharp, but improve quite a bit.... and clyde's done so much hardcore,
that he'll now utilize those skills in casual... people camping, trick-
shooting, etc, clyde will take 'em down without hesitation.

That's not cheating or lagging, it's just plain good, and you don't seem
to deny that, but you seem to have a problem with the fact that you
cannot kill him... it takes you a lot of shots.  Well, it does for most
people because face to face, nobody can beat him... clyde's faster, and
that means the only time you can kill him is when he's already been
shot and he doesn't see you, thus you get a cheap kill.

but as I said, come play with us consistently... I have ripped off plenty
of kills.  We go practice amongst ourselves a lot... just 2 or 3 of us.

it's fun, and I've become a better player because of him and I've also
come to grips with the fact that no matter how much I play, I'll
probably never be on his level.  He's just way more savvy, and just
plain quicker on his feet... he has no fear and plays more aggressive,
yet controlled, than anyone I know.  So

and lastly,maybe I said above, but clyde and sundance have been
playing this game for over a year... I think since it came out.  Maybe
if everyone had put in the time they have, they'd be as good.  
blacksubstance is top 10 in casual shootouts and you don't get to
a spot like that overnight.  for a long time, he would play 8+ hours
a day... unless he's on vacation, he doesn't miss a day.  and I think
his vie account is ranked too.  if clyde had only ever creatd just one
name and stuck with it, I'm certain he would be above saudi and
tj mafia jumpman and margera in every statistical category... he has
spanked margera and saudi is breakfast for him.  TJ I wish would
comeback, he's the only one I saw that was on clyde's level, but he
always ran from clyde b/c he wanted to boost his rank and not have
losses on the leaderboard.

okay.  I'll end my boredom ... going to hit the gym and play a lil more
RDR before I crash out.

and those of you reading this who don't know us, please, add us as
friends and come play.  We're on daily.  Clyde's new zealand time
and I'm west coast, and blackS is russia, so check worldtimezone.com
if you're unsure.

later.




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@JJ- I feel you have come here to defend a friend of yours against possible allegations of cheating, when in your oppinion, he is the best player in the game and not a cheat. That is fine, and yes that is what these message boards are for- RDR discussion. But you can't just tell everyone that what they experienced when they were playing against him was just their imagination and they're just jealous of his superior skill. You are entitiled to your oppinion as are the other members here, and you need only pay attention to the thoughts of whomever you see fit.
I will make it crystal clear for you my experience playing against VIE_ClydeBarrow so there is no misunderstanding about what has been said. I watched him win 6 or 7 HCFFA matches in a row that I took part in, finishing 2nd or 3rd in all of them. Clyde moves erratically (running, rolling, jumping) around the map as he places very well aimed shots at his targets. He does not spend much time behind cover and brazenly challenges any nearby opponent to a 1 on 1, often in the middle of the action. Every time I shot Clyde, he did not die unless I shot him 4 or 5 times myself, I bloodied his face with headshots that did not kill him a few times.
What I noticed (and a friend of mine playing as well did also) is that he would take more shots to kill than the other players in the session. His character shrugged off close range shotgun blasts, deadeye headshots, and occasional mid range dynamite explosions. That struck me as wierd, but not totally unseen before. As I said in another thread, some players just seem superhuman, and take more punishment than most. I don't think that takes anything away from his excellent skill, he showed me plenty with his aiming ability. I have played in matches against you as well, you use the grandma character if I remember correctly, and are a good player as well.

I don't mean to say we know "everyone", but you get the gist.  I mean, we've just been doing this a long time and most anyone who's in a clan, we know or have played against... and anyone whose put in their time should know most the people I mention.   There are names that cross my path that I haven't heard of... of course... but many times they're guys who've been in a clan for quite some time, so I know them as RoyalLegend_King or something, not their prior name... I didn't get this game from day 1, so many people were in clans before I ever knew them... and for the longest time, I was oblivious to all that... I was fully legend with "pinktoad" before I ever stepped foot in casual games.   I sucked at gaming.  And I knew nobody. But now I sort of have to make it my business to know anyone who's somebody.  lol.  



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To me, the best player is not the one with the most impressive stats, but the one who is having the most fun despite perhaps losing alot.


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RE: Avoid UBK
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2011, 08:01:49 AM »
Are you serious?

Do you even read the other side of this discussion?

And you say youre not calling anyone a cheater?

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What I know is that B_Bleezy and Saudix85 lag so much, that I am
convinced it is much more than the game server occasionally acting
up. There are times when I can clean their clocks and I think maybe
that happens when they are not using their lag switch. Then other
times I see them leaning as they run at me... I'm shooting them in the face and all the sudden they're friggen 10 feet behind me blowing me away with a shotgun or something. That is my impression of what a lag switch does; it causes an extreme lag for a few moments, thus giving the
perception that the server is glitching, when in fact the player is seeing
something totally different than you.


That is accusing someone of cheating.  No matter how you try to dance around it.

And yes, I have been playing this game for a while.  And I said I didnt know most of the guys you mention.  

I suspect someone isnt paying attention.

I play HC now.  Put my time in normal.  Never play casual.  It just seems a little novice if you ask me.  And you probably would never get the chance to "chew up and spit out" Deej in casual.  As I doubt he ever steps foot in there.

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RE: Avoid UBK
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2011, 05:50:44 PM »
I read what you said, and the fact is, all you're doing is arguing me and my credibility, as if to tarnish my name or make me look like some incompetent fool, without so much as even discussing what the hell I'm even talking about.

I've learned this forum is a waste of my time.  You guys accuse people of cheating and when I try to defend his honor, all you do is psychoanalyze me and question my credibility.  

get a life.
I'm going to read up on how to delete my account.  And I won't be back, so don't bother replying.  I've got more important things to do when I'm not playing RDR than waste my time here.

sorry I ever stepped foot in this hell hole.
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RE: Avoid UBK
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2011, 05:59:21 AM »
Ok I've played with VIE. I've stuck up for clyde_barrow in threads accusing him of cheating, and spoken in his defense. Since sticking up for clyde I've had friends report seeing him deadeye glitch numerous times in the past. Aside from believing my friends all you've done is make me dislike VIE based on you and you alone. Feel free to ask clyde about me and you'll hear we've always had good relations. I know you'll have some sub-par witty remark for me. All I have to say is you do clyde and VIE a disservice with this post. You're a fuckin douche bag.

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RE: Avoid UBK
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2011, 10:43:34 AM »
Quote from: 'VIE_JesseJames' pid='392548' dateline='1306633259'

well, I've been playing the game since june of 2010 and clyde's been
playing longer than I.  

When you play with someone everyday for that long, you know.

What I know is all you people speculating that he could be
cheating, do not have any extensive experience playing with
him.  Naturally when people can't win, they always think
someone's a cheat.

In fact that's how I became friends with some ruthless killers
in this game.  I'd play with 'em day in and day out.  One day these
two guys stumbled upon us and got their clocks cleaned.  They
were both on mic's and said to each other about how good of
gamers they are and how nobody can compile the kind of stats
clyde compiled without cheating.  So I turned on my mic and asked
them whenever they can't win, do they accuse everyone of being
cheaters?

I wrote Rockstar to ask them about lag switches and if people
do cheat and how to know and they said gamers really won't
know if someone's cheating, some will go by whether or not
they see glitches, but most times that's the game server.  It could
also be a poor internet connection.  But Rockstar also mentioned
that they have installed many patches which are devised to combat
the cheaters using lag switches.  So technically there should not
be any cheaters out there.  Maybe there's a few nerds who are so
bored that they were able to find a way to bypass the patches, but
I doubt it.  And I know clyde isn't no cheater.  He ducks, turns,
jumps, and I kill him plenty enough.  But he's just quicker on his
feet and quite frankly, he's smarter than 99% of the gamers
playing red dead redemption.

I tell everyone Clyde is the best player in this game and the fact
that so many people come here talking about should confirm that.

And people in these blogs should start talking about him as the
best player this game has ever seen... the best player in the game.

period.

Fact is, he is.

What I've learned in reading some of these blogs is that people
are disrespectful, rude, and rush to judgment instead of
praising and congratulating.  People would rather make an
enemy than be a friend.  And that's sad.  If anyone who doubts
clyde would just come in and play with him everyday, they might
be able to learn how to become a brilliant player themselves and
instead of being filled with doubt and speculation, and instead
of crying to everyone that he's a cheat, they could actually
improve their own skills and maybe one day get some
satisfaction out of the few times they actually win a game
against him.... it doesn't happen often, but when it does,
there is much gratification.  

It's too bad too many people walk on the other sidewalk
instead of crossing the street, knocking on the door,
introducing themselves, and saying, nice to meet you.

Most people are more comfortable hiding and making accusations.

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RE: Avoid UBK
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2011, 11:23:43 AM »
Lag cannot be patched. Lag is due to distances and load on the server you are on, not some part of a games programming.

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RE: Avoid UBK
« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2011, 05:23:13 PM »
I think Clyde is one of the better players I've come across.. I dont think he cheats, but I do think his connection sucks... sometimes you cant kill him due to lag, so its hard to tell how good he really is with that shitty connection
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RE: Avoid UBK
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2011, 05:35:06 PM »
OK WELL WHY DON'T YOU DO THAT? AND MABY YOU COULD CUT THE CAPS BECAUSE THAT IS UNNECESSARY!
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RE: Avoid UBK
« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2011, 05:06:48 AM »
Quote from: 'VIE_JesseJames' pid='392522' dateline='1306628793'

Hello, I have seen some blogs here in the past and wanted to chime
in with a couple things.

1) Clyde Barrow does not cheat; has never cheated.  He lives in
New Zealand, so his internet is not the best, but I have not seen him
glitch and I play with this guy pretty much daily.  Anyone who says
he cheats only says so because they cannot beat him.  He is nearing
the #1 ranking in hard core shootouts and he will get there.  He is the
best casual player I've ever seen.

There are very few people that can hang with him, but the few that
I've seen that can rival him, I've been told they have lag switches:

Orphan 22 (I think he's ubk now)
Cowboy_is_Back (unborn killa 2)
Orphan29 (ngsc4400)

I personally wouldn't know, but Les Clay told me so and I don't
know how he knows.

Even with these cheaters trying to beat clyde, they rarely do.

That said, I want to share a rather long-winded story.  I guess you
could say this is months in the making and I need to get this all off
my chest.

xUBKx-BoSs (aka BuGz-Da-Dunn, aka UnbornKillaz-1) is the leader
of an occult named the Unborn Killaz.  

I used to be friends with him, but this guy is worse than Kathy
Lee Gifford.  Talk about gossip, I swear this guy could start his
own red dead redemption talk show.

He cannot ever stop complaining about others and it got to the point
where I had to simply block this guy to relieve my stress from his
constant negative energy.

Let me skip back to the start a bit so you're not completely in the
dark.

I have been playing red dead redemption since June of 2010.  
In that time I have made many friends.  I joined the orphan clan,
but they were breaking up and rob (orphan 3) left the game (I
heard he temporarily snapped.... breakdown).  Then when he
came back, he joined the unborn killaz.  

I suggested to my friend FaizaanM26 ((aka clyde barrow) who
got me into the orphans) that we create out own clan and with
the help of a 3rd friend (Belle Starr), The Vigilantes were formed.

Since that time I've found that many people hate us simply because
we are a rival clan. But the thing is we preach that our clan respect
each other and respect your opponent.  We do not stand for our clan
to bad mouth others and we've kicked out B_BLEEZY and others for
being totally rude and disrespectful to others.  

We have tried to get along with others, and for the most part in
matches, we keep to ourselves.

But what I want everyone to know is that now that unborn killaz are
creeping back into the game after the outage, their attitude has not
changed, in fact got worse.  

xUnBoRnKillaz-1 is Bugz da Dunn... founder of UBK.  
Before he outage they were all numbers and letters.
(such as xUnBoRnKiLLaZ-1)
They must have lost passwords or something
because they're now creating new names.  
I hope that means all their old accounts are
history so now we can pass them on leaderboards :)
An yway, now they are all putting names (probably copying us)
So now ubk1 is xUbKx-BoSs.
Derf 11 is now ubk derf
saudi 85 is now ubk saudi85
they have first lady, boss lady (I feel sorry for her), and
many others in their clan.

They are not friendly people.
Derf came to me as a messenger asking for a vie vs ubk
clan match, but ubk1 is not a friend and it will not be
friendly because they do not know how to have fun.

ubk1 runs his clan like a cult.  It is sad that any people
follow this guy.  Their website looks like a trashy dating
service and everything about them reflects their horrible
leadership.

Tonight I played vs saudi and n1_cisco
They were on our team in gang matches and
killing their own teammates.

Then cisco messages me and talked crap about
our clan.  This is a guy who knows nothing about me
or my clan because he's never spoken with any of
us personally.  So where did he get his pre-conceived
opinions about us?  Brainwashed, obviously by his
leader.  See how sad it is?  These people are so
stupid that they cannot even think for themselves.
They cannot talk to us or say, "how are you?".  
They just automatically hate us having never said
a word.  

Red Dead redemption needs a daycare.

Anyway, this is typical behavior of the unborn
killaz.  They do not respect anyone, no matter
what.  They hate people that they do not even
know.  

Why I am telling you this is simply to warn you.  
My experiences with them are first-hand and
ongoing for almost the whole time I've been
playing the game.  

I personally find it hard to enjoy the game anymore
when they are around.

It is unfortunate that such a great game can have such
a dark cloud looming over it.  So while you may laugh at
this long-winded tirade, I am only here to tell you that
you should avoid these people.  I would recommend you
enjoy the game on your own and keep to yourself, but
if you like multiplayer and want to be with a group, then
you should be with people who can actually have some fun.

The widowmakers recently broke apart and they joined our
clan.  Why?  They like us and hate ubk too.  Isn't that ironic?

Nobody I talk to likes ubk-BoSs.  nobody.  We have people
join our clan because of their bad experiences with him.

Funny thing is the people who say crap about us are:

1) the people who can't beat us, or
2) the people we've kicked out (for bad attitude) or
    friends of theirs.

Go figure.  Clyde Barrow, Billy the Kid, and many others in
our clan have not ever said one bad word about anyone.
They are great guys.  But you wouldn't know it with all
the crap UBK says about him.  One day we kicking the
crap out of the ubk's and they beat us once in a close
game.  Then a guy on mic said, I bet they turn on their
glitch switches now.

I laughed and told ubk1 that he has to stop brainwashing
his clan.

I mean,

1) we don't have any such switch, and
2) if a switch did exist, why would we turn it off for
    one game just to let them win?

Obviously the guy has no idea what he's talking about.  I mean
really, what a moronic thing to say.  But he only said it because
his leader tells all his clan that we cheat and he only says that
because he cannot beat us.

Alright, well, I'll conclude this book now.

Bottom line is, if you want to be a part of a group and have
fun, look for VIE's and befriend us.  We'll show you our
website.  We're nearing 40 members now and we've got
girls and guys alike.  Belle formed the VIE-gina's... our
vigilante sisterhood and they're not concerned with skillset
so much as people they can talk to and get along with.

I'm sorry for the length and I'm sorry that we all have to
endure such trash as the unborn killaz, but there are
worst tragedies in the world.  Just ignore them.


hi jesse :) haha i'm very new to this so bear with me :)