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Re: Minimum wage: racist or not?
« Reply #60 on: March 16, 2013, 03:02:11 PM »
Those incomes ate adjusted for purchasing power parity.  Its an economic method that adjusts so the price of goods is uniform across currencies. 

So where lies my next problem, or perhaps you'd open your mind to the fact the world around you... Upon examination... Is not always what the unexamined mind believes it to be.

I suppose you'd actually have to have been to one of these places to understand. The poverty is low, most of the poor people you see around Stockholm are fresh off the boat immigrants.
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Re: Minimum wage: racist or not?
« Reply #61 on: March 16, 2013, 03:18:06 PM »
Here lies your problem, you're using median income (by American standards) as the sole factor in quality of life instead of what that income can fetch you or any other indicator of quality of life. In the U.S. things are expensive. For instance, low income housing costs as much as a middle class home in most of Europe.

Well first I'm from Europe and have been to almost all of it, all of Scandinavia, and beyond that i used to develop low income apartments in America.  Cost of housing is very high in Europe, your wrong.  proportionately it is much higher than America.  you have that part backwards however purchasing power parity adjust for it anyway so it's irrelevant.

Here's the story of low income housing that I personally built next 1,000,000 dollar homes lest you think I'm making that up as well:

http://rockstar-forums.net/index.php/topic,29170.msg614821.html#msg614821

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Re: Minimum wage: racist or not?
« Reply #62 on: March 16, 2013, 03:35:34 PM »
Well first I'm from Europe and have been to almost all of it, all of Scandinavia, and beyond that i used to develop low income apartments in America.  Cost of housing is very high in Europe, your wrong.  proportionately it is much higher than America.  you have that part backwards however purchasing power parity adjust for it anyway so it's irrelevant.

Here's the story of low income housing that I personally built next 1,000,000 dollar homes lest you think I'm making that up as well:

http://rockstar-forums.net/index.php/topic,29170.msg614821.html#msg614821

I've said it before, I'll say it again...it's the internet, where claims mean nothing. I can also claim to have been everywhere in Europe, I can claim alot of stuff, but it's the internet. Now please provide a quote where I said I think you're making stuff up. In fact, you'll see that I said quite the opposite.
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Re: Minimum wage: racist or not?
« Reply #63 on: March 16, 2013, 05:19:59 PM »
it's the internet, and the rule of the internet is pic or it didn't happen.

I've said it before, I'll say it again...it's the internet, where claims mean nothing.

I enjoy these conversations with you but the whole "valjean is making this stuff up" "photos or it didn't happen" routine is ... its just too 7th grade for me and I'd like us to get past that part.  Fair deal?  Below are a couple scanned photos from the last time I was in Scandinavia in 2000 & dropped one in from the study taken today.  The king & queen's residence in Oslo, and the altar at a German church in Stockholm called St. Gertrud's.  And what an MBA from Chicago and a BS from West Point look like... from now on let's not imply I'm lying or making things up.  Fair enough right? 

Now as to the fact the hybrid socialist countries in Europe are poorer than the US I haven't seen you disagree with the facts?  I do know though that some people's emotions have a hard time accepting that not all places are the same and some are superior to others.  Doesn't mean more valid, less valid.  Benjamin Franklin once said "every man is my superior in that I may learn something from him."  But the facts are clear that the places you're citing are much less successful than America in the areas we're talking about.


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Re: Minimum wage: racist or not?
« Reply #64 on: March 16, 2013, 05:44:08 PM »
it's the internet, and the rule of the internet is pic or it didn't happen.

Why don't you pull up the quote in it's proper context?

You haven't been on the internet long have you? Anyone can make any claim, it's the internet, and the rule of the internet is pic or it didn't happen. While I do believe that you have your degrees, saying I should take your word as fact simply because you have said degrees is ludicrous.

I've said it before, I'll say it again...it's the internet, where claims mean nothing.

And this still holds up.

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I enjoy these conversations with you but the whole "valjean is making this stuff up" "photos or it didn't happen" routine is ... its just too 7th grade for me and I'd like us to get past that part.  Fair deal?

I redirect you to this statement.

Now please provide a quote where I said I think you're making stuff up. In fact, you'll see that I said quite the opposite.

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Below are a couple scanned photos from the last time I was in Scandinavia in 2000 & dropped one in from the study taken today.  The king & queen's residence in Oslo, and the altar at a German church in Stockholm called St. Gertrud's.  And what an MBA from Chicago and a BS from West Point look like... from now on let's not imply I'm lying or making things up.  Fair enough right?


See above.

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Now as to the fact the hybrid socialist countries in Europe are poorer than the US I haven't seen you disagree with the facts?  I do know though that some people's emotions have a hard time accepting that not all places are the same and some are superior to others.  Doesn't mean more valid, less valid.  Benjamin Franklin once said "every man is my superior in that I may learn something from him."  But the facts are clear that the places you're citing are much less successful than America in the areas we're talking about.

So while lying about what I said, now you're condescending me....classy. Actually, they're pretty damn successful, they consistently outrank us in terms of quality of life and from what I've seen when I went there, that's not too far fetched especially when we compare our educational system with theirs. Of course they're gonna make less money than us, their populations are growing older and dying out and are like 100x smaller than ours, while we have more resources than all of them combined to make use of. You can't deny that these countries are not only thriving, but growing.
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Re: Minimum wage: racist or not?
« Reply #65 on: March 16, 2013, 06:41:21 PM »
Of course they're gonna make less money than us, their populations are growing older and dying out

Actually their populations are increasing.



while we have more resources than all of them combined to make use of.

You're being unclear.  I'm not sure why you'd trying to defend the fact socialism robs people of wealth by changing the subject to a bunch of random things.  The only matter relative to resources would be if the countries in question had none.  That is far from the case, in fact Norway sits on huge supplies of oil, much of which it exports.



You can't deny that these countries are not only thriving, but growing.

Already addressed.

Compare that to Sweden who was the second richest country on earth behind America just 40 years ago ... since fallen to the 19th spot. 



they consistently outrank us in terms of quality of life

Again I'm guessing you're changing the subject to life span or something else in attempt to protect some belief you feel is threatened?  The countries in question have median family incomes below the US poverty level because they have incredibly high tax burdens to support socialist programs.  Its making the countries in question collapse, this is a known fact.  No idea why the truth bothers you so but I'm curious if you want to elaborate?



from what I've seen when I went there

Went to Saint Lucia.  Was beautiful.  Down in the Carribean, peaceful, sunny, everyone was very happy.  Average family income is like $4,000.  Wouldn't want to live there.

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Re: Minimum wage: racist or not?
« Reply #66 on: March 16, 2013, 07:15:39 PM »
Actually their populations are increasing.

Normally, I don't use Wikipedia, but it's a descent source for non-controversial subjects as this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aging_of_Europe

A similar phenomenon is going on in Japan.

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]You're being unclear.  I'm not sure why you'd trying to defend the fact socialism robs people of wealth by changing the subject to a bunch of random things.  The only matter relative to resources would be if the countries in question had none.  That is far from the case, in fact Norway sits on huge supplies of oil, much of which it exports.

Compare that to Sweden who was the second richest country on earth behind America just 40 years ago ... since fallen to the 19th spot. 

I would present sources from people who likely know way more about economics than you or I, but I'm lazy right now, I'll do it later.

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Again I'm guessing you're changing the subject to life span or something else in attempt to protect some belief you feel is threatened?  The countries in question have median family incomes below the US poverty level because they have incredibly high tax burdens to support socialist programs.  Its making the countries in question collapse, this is a known fact.  No idea why the truth bothers you so but I'm curious if you want to elaborate?

I've already elaborated, median income =/= quality of life.

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Went to Saint Lucia.  Was beautiful.  Down in the Carribean, peaceful, sunny, everyone was very happy.  Average family income is like $4,000.  Wouldn't want to live there.

Eh, to each their own. But as you saw, median income =/= quality of life.

Now, with all that's been said, I don't really support the American system mimicking the Scandinavians, it wouldn't translate well to our massive population, but there should be at least some regulation in certain places.
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